Chapter 366
Among the hot topics on Weibo, there must be more than one person pointing out that the Phoenix Fund is bragging.

Almost anyone who knows a thing or two about chips understands how difficult it is to establish a chip industry chain!

The chips discussed now are basically the default mobile phone CPU processing chips.Server-side chips are rarely discussed.Because the mobile phone is now an electronic device closely related to everyone.

First of all, we must understand the gap between China and the semiconductor industry.We have made progress, but the difference is not only CPU chips, but also ADC chips, baseband chips, etc.Even the most basic capacitors and resistors in electronic components, we still have a gap.

People who do business in electronic components in coastal areas probably know that domestic high-end electronic components must not be used.Its service life is not up to standard.In other words, inferior products.Have to use foreign goods.

Secondly, what is the most desperate thing in the field of chip manufacturing?It is because we lack tools for designing chips (EDA) and machines for manufacturing chips (such as lithography machines, etc.).As long as engineers involved in the chip industry, it is estimated that they will realize that there are some key and necessary tools that are not available in China.

However, why are so many people pointing out the mistakes and bragging of the Phoenix Fund, but Ren Zhi's comments were pushed up?

This question is a bit subtle.Why is there no comment on your Moments?And some people simply post a picture, and it gets retweeted and liked everywhere?It is worth pondering!

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Hua Shan finished handling the company's affairs, cooked fried eggs, poured two glasses of milk, took the tray, and walked barefoot to the beach.

She is 1.7 meters tall, wearing a close-fitting champagne off-the-shoulder long dress, her skin looks fairer and her figure is slender and slim.The face is delicate and bright, very outstanding.

"What news are you watching? Are you smiling so happily?" Sitting next to Ren Zhi, Hua Shan handed him the milk and said, "I've consumed a lot these days, I'll give you some supplements."

Ren Zhi has a relatively quiet temperament, but he couldn't help retorting: "No matter how much you consume, you can satisfy your appetite."

He and Hua Shan, the big beauty, had already done it when they were on vacation in Palm Beach, USA.He is a person who pursues perfection.And Hua Shan is not the first time.He was a little depressed about it.

Hua Shan was dissatisfied and said: "I went to the United States to study in high school. I am 23 years old. How could I have never met a good man. Why do you look like a little boy who can't grow up? I'm not your girlfriend. You have no right to interfere in my private affairs."

She is deeply influenced by neoliberalism.

"Then what are we now?"

"I think you are excellent. Besides, we have had a good time together. You want it, I want it too, just be together. You want me to be your girlfriend? I don't necessarily agree. I have to investigate you."

He and Hua Shan had a bit of trouble in Palm Beach.But in the end they reconciled, and he took Hua Shan to Brazil for vacation.Sleeping together every day, everything that should be done will be done.

Hua Shan covered her mouth with a delicate smile, leaned over to look at Ren Zhi who was half lying on the beach chair, and said in a low voice, "No bragging."

Ren Zhi saw all her balls, and immediately became "hot blooded", hugging this independent and beautiful girl in his arms and kissing her.

Ten minutes later, Ren Zhi and Hua Shan were happily lying on the spacious beach chair, hugging each other like glue, feeling that their hearts were stuck together.The taste of love is very sweet.This brings up the topic just now.

Ren Zhi said complacently: "I can't see how the Phoenix Fund is boasting. Posting comments on Weibo and scolding them won a lot of applause. Hehe."

"Let me see."

Ren Zhi turned on the phone and looked at it with Hua Shan, "Oh, someone @我了."

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In the presidential suite of the Atlantis Hotel, Jing Gao was sitting on the sofa in the living room, seeing the highly praised comment of "Let me go 1911", who acted as a reasonable guest, felt very unhappy.

First of all, the Phoenix Fund's "draft" to Handong Provincial Taiwan must be bragging in it.This is customary.As a result, now people are pulling out strips and pressing them on the ground to rub them against each other.

He is very upset.Could it be that writing on the Internet is emotional and scolding people without any scruples, he knows it.But this is the first time this happened.After all, he has never written web articles, but only watched web article authors being scolded.

Fuck it, I don’t brag about goals and feelings in the draft, do I have to talk about the details bit by bit?Then what am I doing in Provincial Taiwan?Do you see it?Is it okay for me to open a post to talk to you in a well-known community?
The second one is that he really doesn't like this kind of "reasonable and honest" tone.This is purely a methodological problem.

According to the materialist methodology, things need to be viewed dialectically.There is a good side and a bad side.But in the end, I have to give a general conclusion, how much is good or bad!These so-called "reasonable people" seem to be rational, neutral, and objective, but they actually magnify the bad side and then draw a conclusion.

The most typical is the "China collapse theory".

There are even some "reasonable guests" who are not of high level, just say: don't just because XX is a professor, what he says is right.

What is the subtext of this sentence?You have to listen to my analysis!So, your analysis is better than other professors?Not necessarily?It is nothing more than taking advantage of the rebellious psychology of Internet readers towards "professors" and "authorities".But some people are very fond of this set.

Whether the analysis of a matter is good or not is not judged by the individual, right?It depends on the specific analysis logic and deconstruction!
As a result, your methodology and logical structure cannot even be touched by Professor Shen.He also wrote brazenly on Weihu: "I am very relieved to have dozens of likes. There are always some people who think independently, not just copying what others say."

You call nonsense "independent thinking"?
Jing Gao is very disgusted with this "Let me go 1911".It is necessary to admit the gap between China's chip industry and the beautiful country.But what is your final conclusion?That's why it can't be done!We have to go and beg Beautiful Country to sell us the equipment.

You are fucking calcium deficient!
I like kneeling so much.

Jing Gao directly replied in the Weibo of his mobile phone: "Why can't we make a lithography machine. The lithography machine of Modu Microelectronics was eaten by you."

Ren Woxing 1911: "I'm talking about high-end lithography machines. The most advanced lithography machines of Modu Microelectronics are only 90nm, and Asmer's lithography machines have now reached 7nm and 5nm."

Eating grapes without spitting grape skins 233: "How many years has Asmer been making lithography machines? How many years have domestic lithography machines been made? How do you conclude that we will not be able to make high-end lithography machines in five or ten years? Yes. The gap, are we not allowed to catch up?"

This is Igo's number.He didn't authenticate a "Phoenix Fund Chairman" or anything on Weibo.

Ren Woxing 1911: "Hehe, this is funny. Do you know how many parts there are in the lithography machine? Fifty thousand! You go to solve the problem yourself! How long will it take? Asmer's technology will stop at the same place and not improve ?

Now is the era of globalization, and the division of labor in the global industrial chain.Every country and every company has its own unique skills to make profits.

The modern chip industry has a mature industrial chain monopolized by several companies.Phoenix Fund, as a newcomer to Sanwu, how much time does he plan to spend catching up with the system established by the market in 30 to [-] years? "

Eating grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "Phoenix Fund has already said that it is not afraid of losing money. Do it with all your strength."

Ren Woxing 1911: "Brother, are you here to be funny? This is a technical field, and it requires physical laws, which cannot be solved by just talking about it here. Is this a matter of loss? Others have a first-mover advantage , just can't catch up.

Let me give you an example.Do you know the talent gap in integrated circuits in my country?The most preliminary estimate is 20 people.

The chip industry chain has to go through at least 40 links from tool and IP selection to different module design, manufacturing, packaging and testing.This involves materials, physics, chemistry, mechanics, optics, computers, radio, software and other disciplines.

In 09, my country approved a total of 20 colleges and universities such as Beijing University of Technology as the construction unit of the integrated circuit talent training base.So far, integrated circuits are still under the discipline of electronic science and technology.Not a first class subject.

Do the math yourself, how many years we have to cultivate to fill this gap.Think about it for yourself, to what extent will human technology be innovative in 20 years?
In summary, do you think we can still catch up?Phoenix Fund is obviously bragging.What do you go along with? "

Jing Gao was angry, and input like flying with two fingers.Eating grapes but not spitting grape skins 233: "I admit the gap, but I never think that we should give up catching up. Moreover, there is an obvious loophole in your argument, Asmer's technology will always improve.

He has already reached 5nm, how far can its cutting-edge technology progress? 1nm?From what I've read, Moore's Law has expired in this area.This is an artificially concluded law, not an objective law like physics.

Moreover, according to your argument, the country with the first-mover advantage will always maintain the lead?Not necessarily!History clearly tells us that during the second industrial revolution, Germany's industrial output value caught up with Britain.

The most typical example is who planted the mushroom eggs first.So now which technology is better at clearing bombs and maintaining combat readiness?It seems to belong to the rabbit's house.

Therefore, there is no such thing as you said, and the first-mover country always has an advantage.You judge the outlook as pessimistic.I think it is bright.

Because, after all, technical problems still need to be solved by people.Ultimately, it's a human problem.And the ingenuity of the Chinese is not lost to anyone!We have proven it in history, and we will continue to prove it! "

Ren Woxing 1911: "Speechless. I discuss technical issues with you, and you discuss human issues with me. What? If you can't say it, just pull my IQ to the same level as yours, and then use your rich experience to defeat me?
Do you think the chip industry will be done with just one lithography machine?Let me tell you, there are many places that are behind..."

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When Jing Gao saw the reply of "Ren Woxing 1911", he felt that there was no need to continue.Because this person has an obvious flaw: technical problems are technical problems.

You make a few jokes.

In the past, Japan’s semiconductor technology slammed the beautiful country, how did the beautiful country kill its semiconductor companies in the end?Was it defeated by technology?Do you want to be so childish?
In terms of technical issues related to national security, strategy, and interests, this has never been a purely technical issue.Of course, in terms of lithography machine technology, it's not that flower growers want to use Asmer's technology.

His point of view is very clear that the top lithography machine technology is stagnating, and now is a good time to catch up.As for, how hard can it be to emphasize the difficulties in making chips?Is it harder than two bombs and one satellite?Is it harder than China to complete industrialization?Is it harder than building an aircraft carrier?
Who are you scaring?
Facing the sea, it is winter season.Jing Gao remembered the teaching of the chairman: Let them say, we can't do this, and we can't do that!The indomitable efforts of the Chinese people will surely achieve their goals steadily!

Jing Gao called Guan Guan.

He wants to build a lithography machine.

He doesn't believe in that evil.

(End of this chapter)

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