Great warships

Chapter 389 Cooperation with Sanxing Group
Then, there is Godson.

With the lessons learned from Ark, Godson didn't intend to use it on personal computers at the beginning, and started to take a professional path. It can play a role in various embedded systems, and it dare not confront the Wintel alliance anymore.

Because I really can't beat it.

Although users have a patriotic heart and want to support domestic products, but they are not compatible with various software, so they cannot give users a better experience.

After slowly developing and gradually improving performance, it is possible to impact the personal market.

Now, Qin Tao is very sensible.

Of course he wants to support domestic chip development, but he also knows that a general-purpose processor from scratch cannot directly compete with Intel.

At present, in the special field, it can play a great role.

"The number used in the military field will not be large, but at least these chips can survive. As long as they survive, after two or three generations of accumulation, they may be able to compete with Wintel. Of course, they have to start with government procurement. "

Elder Ni's expression changed.

He can't wait to develop a system that can compete with Wintel, but he also knows how difficult this road will be.

And Qin Tao offered him another choice. Now, he needs to make his own decision, should he go this way?

Qin Tao didn't intend to persuade Mr. Ni with a few simple words. He also knew what Mr. Ni wanted to do most. Now, is it easy to change Mr. Ni's career?

However, Qin Tao still insisted on his own direction. A baby in his infancy would fight a giant duel as soon as he was born. This is not bravery, but courting death.

"President Qin, what are the design indicators for this project?" Elder Ni asked Qin Tao.

"I'm not a professional on this. According to our current backward situation, if we can design a processor similar to 486 with a main frequency of 100 MHz, it should be very good. Moreover, we have not obtained the instruction set authorization of X86 , so we still need other instruction sets, and if we want to use them in the military, we need to coordinate with relevant research institutes to set up some special instruction sets, which will be decided later.”

"As for now, we are mainly pulling this team together. I can promise that Mingzhou Group will invest a huge amount of money. As long as the project is established, the first batch will invest [-] million in research and development funds. The name is good, our project How about naming it Godson? In English, it would be called Godson.”

Xu Zhengyang wanted to laugh. This English name, if translated in meaning, is still very good. This is the son of God. However, if it is transliterated, this name sounds similar to Gou Sheng!
Mr. Qin's bad taste has come again. Could it be that he intends to follow the ancient traditional customs and give him a name that is easy to support?
Godson!

Ni Lao felt a fire burning in his chest, and the funds proposed by Qin Tao made him even more excited.

1000 million will be invested in the initial stage!In the L Think Group, he argued with those people for a long time, and the goal was just to get [-] million project start-up funds!
Without money, it is impossible to manufacture chips. Over the years, Mr. Ni has been working on technology, and making money is his weakness.

At this time, Luo Minghai on the side had already begun to sigh with emotion: "Sure enough, Mr. Qin is a big spender. He invested [-] million yuan at the beginning, but in the final development, he still has to invest [-] to [-] million yuan? Your Mingzhou Group is really rich!"

With a smile on Qin Tao's face, he just wanted to say, I'm talking about US dollars, one hundred million US dollars is equivalent to seven or eight hundred million RMB!However, before he could speak, Xu Zhengyang's phone rang.

"Hey?"

In the next second, Xu Zhengyang replaced it with the words of South Kimchi Country.

Qin Tao was a little surprised. Ever since Dazhou Heavy Industry was brought down, he seems to have nothing to do with the South Kimchi Country, right?
Could it be Sanxing Heavy Industry?
They refused to agree to their own conditions, so they were not interested in this joint venture plan at all.

After that, I met at the International Defense Exhibition, and there was no in-depth communication at that time.

Now, is it Sanxing Heavy Industry?
"Mr. Qin, Mr. Li from Sanxing Group came to Huating to attend a meeting here. I know that you are also in Huating, so I want to invite you to meet."

Hearing Xu Zhengyang's words, several people present were stunned.

Sanxing Group, Mr. Li, actually want to invite Mr. Qin?President Qin's business is big enough.

"What did you say?" Qin Tao asked.

"They don't have an appointment, so, Mr. Qin, you won't be able to go there for the time being."

Luo Minghai and Ni Lao were so shocked that their jaws almost dropped.

OK, you don't have time yet?

"Then how did they answer?" Qin Tao was very satisfied with Xu Zhengyang's answer.

"They said it was about building a joint venture factory, producing 64M memory sticks and a shipyard. They said they could agree to any of the conditions we put forward."

Elder Ni was even more stunned.

For a computer, the most important thing is the processor, followed by memory sticks. Mr. Qin has long wanted to enter the electronics industry, and he still directly produces the most advanced 64M memory sticks!

Hearing this news, Qin Tao was also very happy. It was just his temporary idea at that time. After all, the other party asked for cooperation, so he had to make some demands.After that, the other party didn't respond, so Qin Tao gave up.

Now, the other party came again, and they came to the door on their own initiative. It seems that this time there is something going on.

"Old Ni, are you interested in negotiating with us?" Qin Tao asked Elder Ni.

Elder Ni's face burst into excitement: "Of course I do."

"In this case, then answer Mr. Li. After getting his invitation, I turned down all the work at hand and went to meet him."

"Yes." Xu Zhengyang nodded.

Ni Lao sat in the big G of the Mercedes-Benz, his thoughts had already started to wander.

"Currently, our domestic chips are not only weak in design, but also in production capacity. Sanxing Electronics has already mastered the production process of less than 1 micron. If their technology can be introduced, our general-purpose processor will be able to Set the process below 1 micron, such as 0.35 micron." Mr. Ni was very excited.

A smile appeared on Qin Tao's face. It seemed that Mr. Ni had slowly accepted his proposal under subtle influences.

There is Godson Company for design and this joint venture company for production. In this way, the chip industry of Mingzhou Group will be developed.

However, if you want to develop better, you still need a few people. If the stall is set up, you have to invite a few people to come over.

Qin Tao already had a detailed plan in his mind.

A group of the Sanxing Group stayed at the Huating Hotel. After Qin Tao and the others passed by, they met again in a meeting room of the Huating Hotel.

"President Qin, I'm very happy that we meet again." Mr. Li personally introduced to Qin Tao: "This is Yin Jinlong, the person in charge of our Sanxing Electronics semiconductor project. He is mainly responsible for our negotiations on semiconductors this time." Responsible, this is Zheng Zhenze, who is mainly in charge of our Sanxing Heavy Industry, and he is mainly responsible for the negotiation of the shipyard, so, Mr. Qin, which project should we talk about first?"

"Let's talk about shipbuilding first." Qin Tao said, "After all, our old profession is shipbuilding. Mr. Zheng, what are your plans?"

Mr. Li is only leading the team, so he asked his subordinates to discuss it first, so that if there is a disagreement, he can come forward. Qin Tao is the boss of the group, and talking to the person in charge of a branch of the other party seems to be a lower level. However, Qin Tao Thao didn't care about that.

"The location of the shipyard is planned to be selected in Chongming Island, Huating City, with a planned investment of 50.00 million US dollars. According to your request, your investment ratio exceeds [-]%. Please be ready to invest. You have this shipyard. We can accept all personnel appointment rights." Zheng Zhenze said: "However, we also have our own conditions. For example, our joint venture shipyard must have a certain proportion to produce natural gas ships. In the project, our workers must account for a certain proportion.”

With a smile on Qin Tao's face, he knew that the other party had a purpose. Now, he really showed his true colors.

Mingzhou Group can take absolute control, but they must help them train workers for natural gas ships!This is equivalent to that the other party can train a large number of workers through this shipyard without spending money!
You know, training workers also consumes a lot of money.

"What's President Qin's opinion?" The other party asked cautiously.

"We are negotiating and what we are looking for is cooperation. Both of us have to show sincerity, right?" Qin Tao said with a smile.

"Yes, you are right. I hope you can agree to our conditions."

"Of course." Qin Tao nodded!

Several people from the Sanxing Group looked at each other and felt very excited.

So far, Sanhang Heavy Industry has still not been involved in the construction of natural gas ships. They will quickly acquire this capability through a joint venture with Mingzhou Group to build a factory!
Compared with going to GTT company for training, the cost here is zero!

"However, any workers who are sent to our joint venture shipyard need to work in the shipyard for at least five years. If they leave after half a year of training and master the technology, they will have to pay tuition fees to the shipyard. $300 million."

When Qin Tao said this, the people opposite were dumbfounded.

The purpose of their fight is to leave after the training, and then replace the batch, so that they can build natural gas ships in China. Now, Qin Tao put forward this condition, even if the gap is plugged!

"Boss Qin, you just said that you need to show sincerity." Zheng Zhenze couldn't help complaining.

"Yes, it is necessary to show sincerity, but we can't be the only ones who show sincerity. In fact, I don't understand your request. You are looking for a partner to build a shipyard here. It should be the labor cost advantage here.”

Qin Tao continued: "So, the workers in the shipyard should be mainly hired from us, but you plan to let your workers account for a certain proportion, and come all the way. This is definitely a waste. , The wages and travel allowances for a worker from the southern kimchi country who came all the way are enough to pay the wages of three people on our side. If we want to pursue fairness, then we should also pay the same wages to the people on our side, so that As a result, the shipyard will definitely lose money. If so, why do we cooperate?"

You guys, this is a drunkard who doesn't mean to drink, how can we not see it?

"If you want to learn the welding technology of Invar Steel, then you should openly propose it. We can help with training. If we jointly run a shipyard, the training fee for your workers can be reduced to 30 per person. Wouldn’t it be better to let them get a G certificate?”

The people on the opposite side were a little embarrassed.

If the training fee is 30 U.S. dollars, it's really not much. They just ask for it generously. Why do they have to do this kind of trick?

"Mr. Qin, thank you for your generosity. If our cooperation project can be negotiated, then we are willing to pay 300 million yuan and send ten technicians here to learn welding technology. As for the workers of this shipyard, we can recruit them from China." , after all, the operating cost is low.” Mr. Li made a decision.

Forget about the original plan, let's just send people to train.

Qin Tao nodded: "Well, then let's go on to say that if we build a natural gas ship, it will inevitably involve the issue of patents. After all, this shipyard is not operated by our Mingzhou Group alone, so the patent fee still has to be paid. It was handed over by the head office. But, after all, we are a family and cannot be the same as outsiders, so we temporarily set the patent fee at [-]% of the selling price of each ship, how about it?"

Zheng Zhenze frowned again. They originally planned to rely on the Mingzhou Group to obtain the technical patents for natural gas ships. How could they expect that the other party didn't intend to give it for nothing, but actually asked for money!

Since money is needed, why don't we use GTT's patent rights?

"Now, GTT's patent license fee is about [-]% of the selling price of each ship, and our patent fee is only half of theirs. In the future, if your local shipyard also wants to use our patent, we will You can also offer a preferential price, for example, [-]% of the selling price of each ship. Moreover, our technology is more advanced, and even GTT is currently launching a patented solution similar to ours." Qin Tao said : "If you give up on us, you can only go to GTT to cooperate. For us, these are all indifferent, it depends on your choice."

It is impossible not to give money, but we can guarantee that it is lower than GTT company, after all, GTT company is still an old brand.

This is also an attempt by Mingzhou Group to sell patents to the outside world. If it succeeds, they can sit and collect money in the future!
"Okay, we accept Mr. Qin's proposal." Mr. Li once again approved Qin Tao's proposition. After all, this condition is already very strong.

"The detailed terms need to be discussed carefully, but the general framework is like this. Do you have any other ideas?" Qin Tao asked.

The opponent shook his head.

"Okay, then let's continue talking about the electronics company. By the way, let me introduce to you, the old Ni next to me is a consultant I invited. After all, I am not familiar with these things."

Mr. Ni?
Yin Jinlong's eyes widened. Just now, he thought Mr. Ni looked familiar, but now he finally recognized him. This is the leader of China's semiconductor industry!
This time it is estimated that it is not easy to fool.

A smile appeared on Yin Jinlong's face, and he stretched out his hand: "Mr. Ni is famous in China. It's a great honor to meet you. Next, let's talk about the memory stick factory. The location of the factory is still in Huating, and we will Building a 3-inch fab…”

When he heard this, Mr. Ni just stretched out his hand, before holding it, and then retracted: "The three-inch fab has long been outdated, and we need a larger fab. "

To manufacture a chip, the first step is to purify silicon, make a single silicon into a cylinder, then slice it, and make an integrated circuit on each piece.

The diameter of this cylinder, or disc, is very important.

The larger the diameter, the less waste. After all, the chip is rectangular and the wafer is circular, so the corners and corners of the material are wasted.

The other party came up to provide backward technology, which immediately made Ni Lao vigilant.

"Then, we can raise it to five inches." Yin Jinlong immediately changed his words: "For you, this is the most advanced."

"How can it be the most advanced? In 91, Huating's Philips Semiconductors already had a five-inch fab. Now it's 94!"

"It's only been three years." Yin Jinlong still wanted to fool around.

"Moore's Law is based on an eighteen-month cycle." Ni Lao said: "These three years are enough to pass two cycles! We will never forget the lessons of Project 908."

Speaking of this, Ni Lao felt very sorry.

Of course, the country also knows that the semiconductor industry is outdated, so in August 90, relevant decisions were passed to promote the semiconductor industry to enter the era of manufacturing under 8 micron.The 1 project has a total investment of about 908 billion yuan, of which 20 billion yuan is used to invest in the construction of Huajing Electronics' six-inch wafer fab with a production capacity of 15 wafers, and the rest of the investment is used to establish several integrated circuit product design centers.

The results of it?Two years have passed since the audit, and by the time it was put into production, it was already behind the times!
"Then what do you want?"

"At least an 8-inch fab, and a 0.35-micron process is required." Ni Lao said.

"That's impossible!" Yin Jinlong said: "What we plan to export is a 1-micron process, which is enough for manufacturing memory."

This is what they are fighting for.

Like the processor, the memory is a very large scale integrated circuit, but the process requirements of the memory are lower.When the processor has entered the 0.35-micron era, it is also possible to use a 1-micron process for the memory.

"Well, I don't know much about these professional fields, but I want to ask, don't you, Sanxing Electronics, have this kind of technology?" Qin Tao interjected.

"Of course we have!"

"Then why don't you provide us with the most advanced technology? Are you planning to make us obsolete when we build a factory? Or are you planning to sell us the outdated equipment on your current production line, and you just introduce more advanced equipment?" equipment?"

Qin Tao's words hit Yin Jinlong's heart.

That's exactly what they're aiming for.

Last year, Micron took the lead in adopting ASML stepper lithography machine exclusively in the industry, and its production capacity increased immediately. Sanxing Electronics, which has always had a good relationship with Micron, also found that the production capacity of ASML PAS5500 is much better than that of Nikon.Therefore, they have decided to order lithography machines from ASML to replace all Nikon lithography machines on their production line.

After these lithography machines are eliminated, where will they be sent?
China!

They finally made a decision to form a joint venture with Mingzhou Group. It was due to various factors, and the eliminated lithography machine was one of them.

Although Qin Tao doesn't understand these things, he can understand people's hearts!

Yin Jinlong couldn't answer Qin Tao's question immediately.

You have advanced technology, why give us the backward?Don't you just want to sell us those outdated equipment?Maybe it will be sold as a new one.

"Mr. Qin, in the field of electronics, the more advanced the better, as long as it is enough, please believe us, 1 micron technology is enough." Mr. Li can only make peace with it.

Qin Tao smiled: "I don't know about this. Since we want to introduce, we must introduce the most advanced technology in the world. If you refuse, then our cooperation will fail, and it will be treated as if we have never been here before!"

Qin Tao doesn't care much about the shipyard at all. What he cares about is the semiconductor industry. Now, since the other party has a wrong idea, what's the point?What about the frank meeting you just promised?With this attitude?

Qin Tao stood up.

"Old Ni, let's go. On the way here, what are you talking about? NEC company?"

Qin Tao just said it casually, he didn't know it, but it was wrong.

NEC also took a fancy to Dongfang's labor cost advantage and decided to build a factory in Dongfang. It is currently looking for cooperation opportunities. If Mingzhou Group posts it, will there be any benefits from their three-line group?

You know, NEC is also a very good semiconductor company in the island country!

Qin Tao is also a decisive person. He didn't need to establish a joint venture with the Sanxing Group to build a shipyard. It was just for the establishment of the semiconductor industry. Sanxing Electronics is not their only partner. They can choose other company.

However, Sanxing Heavy Industry needs the natural gas ship technology of Mingzhou Group very much. The training fee of 30 US dollars per person is too cheap, and there are advanced technology patents: only half of the Invar steel is used, and the cost is much lower!
How to choose?

Seeing that Qin Tao was about to leave, Mr. Li hesitated again and again, and finally spoke.

"Mr. Qin, if you insist, then we can provide the most advanced electronic technology, eight-inch wafer fab, and 0.35-micron manufacturing technology to produce the most advanced 64M memory sticks. However, this means that we will invest Huge amounts of money."

Mr. Li gave Yin Jinlong a wink, so Yin Jinlong answered quickly: "That's right, such a modern electronics factory requires at least [-] million dollars in investment."

"Of course there is no problem. Even if you don't invest and only provide technology, we will fully fund it, and there will be no problem." Qin Tao said: "However, we must hurry up. From the signing of the agreement, within one year, the factory It must be put into production!"

Elder Ni on the side was very emotional, Mr. Qin is really generous!Moreover, Mr. Qin has the final say on the Mingzhou Group, who is responsible for his own profits and losses, and makes decisions very quickly. If the process is run in various agencies, it will end up the same as the 908 project.

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