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Chapter 1392 The Jury
There are several versions of "Twelve Angry Men". If Li Yi wants to film it, the background will be on Hong Kong Island.
But it certainly cannot be followed completely.
The localization of "Twelve Citizens" is actually done well, but unfortunately, the background is a mock court, but other than that, it can be used as a reference.
And I have to say that the characters in "Twelve Citizens" are absolutely superb in their acting skills.
Some people say that it was a show of drama actors, but in fact, to a certain extent, the movie "Twelve Angry Men" is actually not much different from the form of a drama, because it is in one place from beginning to end. Completed within the scene.
The charm of this film is that it does not reveal a certain outcome, so there are very few courtroom scenes from beginning to end.
One afternoon, 12 people were locked in a room. Their most important prop was a square table. At the end, everyone left, and the full view of the table was slowly revealed. After several hours of arguing, only a few pieces of paper and a table were left. The detritus, the angry roars and calm discussions of those who once existed will no longer be replayed.
Even if everyone watching the movie knows the outcome of their debate from the beginning, the movie can still not lose any second of its charm. Under a simple layout, 12 people express their own thoughts and then reveal various aspects of life.
And this really tests the director's control of the rhythm of the movie and the performance of the actors.
For the director, the difficulty in shooting is that a single scene paired with dialogue between more than ten people can easily create a chaotic situation.
The original "[-] Angry Men" has basically the same film time and narrative time, but in nearly two hours of intense debate, the narrative is clear and the story is gripping.This is inseparable from the clever use of lenses and axes.
Li Yi quickly wrote the script of the movie. Compared with other movies, the biggest difference between this kind of movie is that its story takes place in a single scene, so lines and actors are very critical.
However, for those good actors, such a movie will definitely be enjoyable to act in.
Of course, to be honest, Li Yi dare not say that the audience will like this kind of movie. After all, the original movie is very old and is still a black and white film. Although the domestic version has a good reputation, it failed at the box office. In fact, although many people have analyzed many reasons for failure.
But you have to say that the early part of this movie is indeed quite dull, and the real climax occurs later.
This kind of movie requires attention and patience to watch it before you can see the true essence of the movie.
Li Yi's version is more of a domestic version, but the background is Hong Kong Island.
In fact, speaking of the matter, the domestic version has indeed done a good job in localization adaptation.
But there is still a gap compared to the original version, so Li Yi also needs to adapt it. After all, the original version is a real jury trial, while the domestic version is just a mock trial.
This can be said to be a crucial difference.
On the one hand, everyone just raises their hands to vote, and no matter what the result is, it cannot change or affect the real outcome. On the other hand, they are indeed deciding the outcome.
It determines whether a young man is guilty or innocent, whether he can continue to live, or whether he will have to squat in a prison cell for the rest of his life.
The difference between the two is huge!
After the script is finalized, it’s time to choose the actors.
As for the search for filming locations, it’s really not a big deal. There really aren’t too many film and television productions like Hong Kong Island Law.
So, you don't even need to look for it. After all, the film Li Yi wants to shoot only needs a room where the jury discusses the case, and that's it.
Actors are actually relatively easy to find. "Twelve Angry Men" actually doesn't have any special requirements. The only thing is that the acting skills are good enough.
Hong Kong Performing Artists Association, maybe it’s hard to say anything else, but when it comes to veteran actors and actors with good acting skills, it’s really easy to choose.
Of course, since you are going to make this film, you definitely need to know something about it. The same is the jury system, but although Hong Kong Island also has the common law system, there are still differences after all.
On Hong Kong Island, only the Court of First Instance and the Coroner's Court of the High Court use juries to hear cases.In the High Court, the cases involving juries are mainly serious criminal cases, and the number of civil cases in which the jury system is applied is extremely rare.Compared with the total number of criminal cases on Hong Kong Island, although only a small part of the cases are subject to jury trial, this small part of the cases are the most serious crimes and the most severe punishments.The jury's job is to determine the facts of the case and apply the relevant law to those facts to decide whether the defendant is guilty or not.
In fact, in terms of the number of people, Li Yi really discovered a difference between Hong Kong Island and the movie. According to Li Yi's understanding, in any civil or criminal trial, the jury must be composed of no less than 5 people.In fact, the number of juries in a normal criminal trial is seven, but if necessary, the judge can increase the number to nine.
In other words, Twelve Angry Men, a jury of twelve people, seems to be somewhat different from the jury system in Hong Kong Island.
Another difference is that in the final deliberations on the verdict of "Twelve Angry Men", the requirement was 5 to 7 and a unanimous vote was required. However, in fact, in the jury system of Hong Kong Island, the verdict is made by the majority. Justice, according to relevant laws and regulations, a jury of 5 to 8 people needs at least 6 unanimous votes to reach an effective verdict, a jury of 9 people needs at least 7 votes, and a jury of [-] people needs at least [-] votes.
"Twelve Angry Men" is a regulation in North America. For other criminal cases, justice is usually the same as that of the majority in Hong Kong. However, the difference is that in cases where the murder charge is established, consistency is required. pass!
This gave Li Yi a headache.
What is the biggest highlight and twist in "Twelve Angry Men"?
Naturally, at the outset, eleven votes were cast in favor of guilt and only one in favor of innocence.
However, in the end, all 12 people supported the not guilty verdict.
So if based on the facts, only a majority can reach a valid ruling, then there is no need to make this movie.
But when Li Yi consulted a lawyer in Hong Kong, he found that he had also made a mistake.
Because according to this lawyer, in fact, everything else about Hong Kong Island is the same as what Li Yi learned.
For example, criminal trials in the Court of First Instance of the High Court involve juries.
The court will arrange dozens to one hundred candidates who are qualified to serve as jurors to the court to wait for summons, and then the court clerk will draw lots and read out the names of the selected candidates one by one. The prosecution and defense can object to the selected candidates. Jurors.
Then the jury usually has seven members, and at least five jurors must find the defendant guilty before he can be found guilty.In some longer cases, the size of the jury can be increased to nine, and a conviction requires the consent of at least seven jurors.A murder charge requires a unanimous jury to convict the defendant.
In other words, at this point, the information Li Yi found himself is not accurate. In terms of murder charges, Hong Kong Island is the same as in "Twelve Angry Men".
The question then arises, how to increase the number to twelve.Unfortunately, according to the lawyer, the maximum number of jury members in Hong Kong is nine, and the twelve mentioned by Li Yi are the current practice in North America.
Therefore, if Li Yi wanted to film the case in the context of Hong Kong Island, it would not be "Twelve Angry Men", but "Nine Angry Men".
Because it cannot exist apart from the facts.
Unless Li Yi went to Hollywood to film this movie, otherwise, the setting of twelve jurors would be unreasonable.
In fact, this is not a big problem for Li Yi. After all, whether there are 12 jurors or nine jurors, the impact on the plot will not be much different.
Because for the audience, in fact, even "Twelve Angry Men" can hardly make these twelve people memorable to the audience.
Li Yi is actually quite curious about this jury system. Although he is also from Hong Kong and watches some legal film and television works, in fact, he rarely understands these things.
Therefore, in the following time, Li Yi went to the court to attend the hearing. It may be a problem for other people, but for a celebrity like Li Yi, it is really not a big problem.
Of course, it is certainly impossible for Li Yi to see the actual decision-making process of the jury, but it does not matter. Many citizens on Hong Kong Island have actually had the experience of being jurors.
Li Yi specially asked someone to find a few people who had served as jurors and chatted with them a lot.
In fact, it's not bad, but the gap between it and Li Yi's imagination is still quite big.
According to several people with juror experience that Li Yi talked to, they rarely overturn a majority vote.
Of course, there are some similarities, that is, these jurors do have a variety of professions. Most of them don't know much about the law, but it's normal when you think about it, because they don't seem to be needed.
In "Twelve Angry Men", the twelve people in it are actually ordinary people. They have never met each other before and may not have many opportunities to interact with each other in the future. They come from different families and life backgrounds, engage in different professions, and have different personalities. They each have more concerned interests, different life experiences, and their own preferences and personalities.
Which one is better for the system is not a question that Li Yi, a director, needs to consider.
Some people say that "Twelve Angry Men" glorifies the disho system at all times, but in fact, in Li Yi's view, it is exactly the opposite.
Nothing else, because, first of all, we have to talk about the case. What is the story of the original "Twelve Angry Men"?
"After six days of long and boring trial, the judge issued verdict instructions to the jury. The defendant was a man who was accused of killing his father. The evidence given in court was also very convincing: he lived opposite The woman revealed that she saw the defendant holding a knife to kill people in her bedroom and from the window of the speeding car. The old man downstairs heard the defendant shouting "I want to kill you" and the sound of his body falling to the ground, and noticed the defendant running downstairs. The knife that stabbed the defendant's father's chest was the same as the knife that the defendant had purchased. Moreover, the defendant's testimony that he watched a movie from 11 a.m. to 3 a.m. was extremely dishonest because he did not even know the movie he had just watched. I can’t even name them.”
Judging from the plot and evidence, it seems that the first reaction of most people is that this is the murderer.
The real exciting part of the movie is that the final result was that 12 people unanimously voted to acquit the defendant.
In fact, there is great justice in the fact that twelve ordinary people are trying the defendant.
Damn it, is it possible for the murderer to go free?
The answer is yes!
But the essence of "Twelve Angry Men" is that the story of the movie does not reveal who the real murderer is or what the truth is.
Because, for the jury members, they are not police officers, and they have no way of knowing what the truth is.
They can only make judgments based on relevant evidence provided by the police, lawyers, witnesses, etc.!
During the jury's deliberations, the party supporting the guilty must provide evidence to prove the defendant's behavior within the rules, while conversely, those supporting the innocent must raise reasonable doubts about the problems with the prosecution's evidence.
The purpose of this system is that it is better to misplace a thousand than to kill the wrong person.
It seems that this will reduce the occurrence of unjust cases to a great extent, but in fact, because jurors are also human beings, they will make mistakes. The key point of this law is that there is no doubt of guilt.
Li Yi finally perfected the script.
Soon, the script was given to Chen Weijie.
Of course, Li Yi was still a little hesitant about whether to use the twelve people from the original version of "Twelve Angry Men" or the nine-person jury from Hong Kong Island.
If a jury of nine people were used, then the movie would definitely not be [-] Angry Men.
And Li Yi also wanted to discuss with Chen Weijie and others whether it was necessary to change it to nine people.
In fact, the core character of "[-] Angry Men" is Juror No. [-].
How many other jurors there are, actually is not that important.
As for the so-called beautification, promoting the superiority of the Panzi system, Li Yi really doesn't think that is the case.
Because, for the selected jurors, in fact, Li Yi has learned that those who have served as jurors, most of the time, they do not pay so much attention to this matter, or in other words, the vast majority of jurors Members do not want to spend too long discussing the case.
Even in many cases, the attitude is rather perfunctory.
This is actually the case in "Twelve Angry Men".
In reality, how many people can be like Juror No. [-] and always stick to their own position in group decisions?
And even if there are people like Juror No. [-] in the film, there are still compromises. In the second round of voting, we have no choice but to abstain and let others make their choices.
Therefore, if there were no juror No. [-], the verdict would have been completely different.
Is this the superiority of the dish?Nonsense!
But it certainly cannot be followed completely.
The localization of "Twelve Citizens" is actually done well, but unfortunately, the background is a mock court, but other than that, it can be used as a reference.
And I have to say that the characters in "Twelve Citizens" are absolutely superb in their acting skills.
Some people say that it was a show of drama actors, but in fact, to a certain extent, the movie "Twelve Angry Men" is actually not much different from the form of a drama, because it is in one place from beginning to end. Completed within the scene.
The charm of this film is that it does not reveal a certain outcome, so there are very few courtroom scenes from beginning to end.
One afternoon, 12 people were locked in a room. Their most important prop was a square table. At the end, everyone left, and the full view of the table was slowly revealed. After several hours of arguing, only a few pieces of paper and a table were left. The detritus, the angry roars and calm discussions of those who once existed will no longer be replayed.
Even if everyone watching the movie knows the outcome of their debate from the beginning, the movie can still not lose any second of its charm. Under a simple layout, 12 people express their own thoughts and then reveal various aspects of life.
And this really tests the director's control of the rhythm of the movie and the performance of the actors.
For the director, the difficulty in shooting is that a single scene paired with dialogue between more than ten people can easily create a chaotic situation.
The original "[-] Angry Men" has basically the same film time and narrative time, but in nearly two hours of intense debate, the narrative is clear and the story is gripping.This is inseparable from the clever use of lenses and axes.
Li Yi quickly wrote the script of the movie. Compared with other movies, the biggest difference between this kind of movie is that its story takes place in a single scene, so lines and actors are very critical.
However, for those good actors, such a movie will definitely be enjoyable to act in.
Of course, to be honest, Li Yi dare not say that the audience will like this kind of movie. After all, the original movie is very old and is still a black and white film. Although the domestic version has a good reputation, it failed at the box office. In fact, although many people have analyzed many reasons for failure.
But you have to say that the early part of this movie is indeed quite dull, and the real climax occurs later.
This kind of movie requires attention and patience to watch it before you can see the true essence of the movie.
Li Yi's version is more of a domestic version, but the background is Hong Kong Island.
In fact, speaking of the matter, the domestic version has indeed done a good job in localization adaptation.
But there is still a gap compared to the original version, so Li Yi also needs to adapt it. After all, the original version is a real jury trial, while the domestic version is just a mock trial.
This can be said to be a crucial difference.
On the one hand, everyone just raises their hands to vote, and no matter what the result is, it cannot change or affect the real outcome. On the other hand, they are indeed deciding the outcome.
It determines whether a young man is guilty or innocent, whether he can continue to live, or whether he will have to squat in a prison cell for the rest of his life.
The difference between the two is huge!
After the script is finalized, it’s time to choose the actors.
As for the search for filming locations, it’s really not a big deal. There really aren’t too many film and television productions like Hong Kong Island Law.
So, you don't even need to look for it. After all, the film Li Yi wants to shoot only needs a room where the jury discusses the case, and that's it.
Actors are actually relatively easy to find. "Twelve Angry Men" actually doesn't have any special requirements. The only thing is that the acting skills are good enough.
Hong Kong Performing Artists Association, maybe it’s hard to say anything else, but when it comes to veteran actors and actors with good acting skills, it’s really easy to choose.
Of course, since you are going to make this film, you definitely need to know something about it. The same is the jury system, but although Hong Kong Island also has the common law system, there are still differences after all.
On Hong Kong Island, only the Court of First Instance and the Coroner's Court of the High Court use juries to hear cases.In the High Court, the cases involving juries are mainly serious criminal cases, and the number of civil cases in which the jury system is applied is extremely rare.Compared with the total number of criminal cases on Hong Kong Island, although only a small part of the cases are subject to jury trial, this small part of the cases are the most serious crimes and the most severe punishments.The jury's job is to determine the facts of the case and apply the relevant law to those facts to decide whether the defendant is guilty or not.
In fact, in terms of the number of people, Li Yi really discovered a difference between Hong Kong Island and the movie. According to Li Yi's understanding, in any civil or criminal trial, the jury must be composed of no less than 5 people.In fact, the number of juries in a normal criminal trial is seven, but if necessary, the judge can increase the number to nine.
In other words, Twelve Angry Men, a jury of twelve people, seems to be somewhat different from the jury system in Hong Kong Island.
Another difference is that in the final deliberations on the verdict of "Twelve Angry Men", the requirement was 5 to 7 and a unanimous vote was required. However, in fact, in the jury system of Hong Kong Island, the verdict is made by the majority. Justice, according to relevant laws and regulations, a jury of 5 to 8 people needs at least 6 unanimous votes to reach an effective verdict, a jury of 9 people needs at least 7 votes, and a jury of [-] people needs at least [-] votes.
"Twelve Angry Men" is a regulation in North America. For other criminal cases, justice is usually the same as that of the majority in Hong Kong. However, the difference is that in cases where the murder charge is established, consistency is required. pass!
This gave Li Yi a headache.
What is the biggest highlight and twist in "Twelve Angry Men"?
Naturally, at the outset, eleven votes were cast in favor of guilt and only one in favor of innocence.
However, in the end, all 12 people supported the not guilty verdict.
So if based on the facts, only a majority can reach a valid ruling, then there is no need to make this movie.
But when Li Yi consulted a lawyer in Hong Kong, he found that he had also made a mistake.
Because according to this lawyer, in fact, everything else about Hong Kong Island is the same as what Li Yi learned.
For example, criminal trials in the Court of First Instance of the High Court involve juries.
The court will arrange dozens to one hundred candidates who are qualified to serve as jurors to the court to wait for summons, and then the court clerk will draw lots and read out the names of the selected candidates one by one. The prosecution and defense can object to the selected candidates. Jurors.
Then the jury usually has seven members, and at least five jurors must find the defendant guilty before he can be found guilty.In some longer cases, the size of the jury can be increased to nine, and a conviction requires the consent of at least seven jurors.A murder charge requires a unanimous jury to convict the defendant.
In other words, at this point, the information Li Yi found himself is not accurate. In terms of murder charges, Hong Kong Island is the same as in "Twelve Angry Men".
The question then arises, how to increase the number to twelve.Unfortunately, according to the lawyer, the maximum number of jury members in Hong Kong is nine, and the twelve mentioned by Li Yi are the current practice in North America.
Therefore, if Li Yi wanted to film the case in the context of Hong Kong Island, it would not be "Twelve Angry Men", but "Nine Angry Men".
Because it cannot exist apart from the facts.
Unless Li Yi went to Hollywood to film this movie, otherwise, the setting of twelve jurors would be unreasonable.
In fact, this is not a big problem for Li Yi. After all, whether there are 12 jurors or nine jurors, the impact on the plot will not be much different.
Because for the audience, in fact, even "Twelve Angry Men" can hardly make these twelve people memorable to the audience.
Li Yi is actually quite curious about this jury system. Although he is also from Hong Kong and watches some legal film and television works, in fact, he rarely understands these things.
Therefore, in the following time, Li Yi went to the court to attend the hearing. It may be a problem for other people, but for a celebrity like Li Yi, it is really not a big problem.
Of course, it is certainly impossible for Li Yi to see the actual decision-making process of the jury, but it does not matter. Many citizens on Hong Kong Island have actually had the experience of being jurors.
Li Yi specially asked someone to find a few people who had served as jurors and chatted with them a lot.
In fact, it's not bad, but the gap between it and Li Yi's imagination is still quite big.
According to several people with juror experience that Li Yi talked to, they rarely overturn a majority vote.
Of course, there are some similarities, that is, these jurors do have a variety of professions. Most of them don't know much about the law, but it's normal when you think about it, because they don't seem to be needed.
In "Twelve Angry Men", the twelve people in it are actually ordinary people. They have never met each other before and may not have many opportunities to interact with each other in the future. They come from different families and life backgrounds, engage in different professions, and have different personalities. They each have more concerned interests, different life experiences, and their own preferences and personalities.
Which one is better for the system is not a question that Li Yi, a director, needs to consider.
Some people say that "Twelve Angry Men" glorifies the disho system at all times, but in fact, in Li Yi's view, it is exactly the opposite.
Nothing else, because, first of all, we have to talk about the case. What is the story of the original "Twelve Angry Men"?
"After six days of long and boring trial, the judge issued verdict instructions to the jury. The defendant was a man who was accused of killing his father. The evidence given in court was also very convincing: he lived opposite The woman revealed that she saw the defendant holding a knife to kill people in her bedroom and from the window of the speeding car. The old man downstairs heard the defendant shouting "I want to kill you" and the sound of his body falling to the ground, and noticed the defendant running downstairs. The knife that stabbed the defendant's father's chest was the same as the knife that the defendant had purchased. Moreover, the defendant's testimony that he watched a movie from 11 a.m. to 3 a.m. was extremely dishonest because he did not even know the movie he had just watched. I can’t even name them.”
Judging from the plot and evidence, it seems that the first reaction of most people is that this is the murderer.
The real exciting part of the movie is that the final result was that 12 people unanimously voted to acquit the defendant.
In fact, there is great justice in the fact that twelve ordinary people are trying the defendant.
Damn it, is it possible for the murderer to go free?
The answer is yes!
But the essence of "Twelve Angry Men" is that the story of the movie does not reveal who the real murderer is or what the truth is.
Because, for the jury members, they are not police officers, and they have no way of knowing what the truth is.
They can only make judgments based on relevant evidence provided by the police, lawyers, witnesses, etc.!
During the jury's deliberations, the party supporting the guilty must provide evidence to prove the defendant's behavior within the rules, while conversely, those supporting the innocent must raise reasonable doubts about the problems with the prosecution's evidence.
The purpose of this system is that it is better to misplace a thousand than to kill the wrong person.
It seems that this will reduce the occurrence of unjust cases to a great extent, but in fact, because jurors are also human beings, they will make mistakes. The key point of this law is that there is no doubt of guilt.
Li Yi finally perfected the script.
Soon, the script was given to Chen Weijie.
Of course, Li Yi was still a little hesitant about whether to use the twelve people from the original version of "Twelve Angry Men" or the nine-person jury from Hong Kong Island.
If a jury of nine people were used, then the movie would definitely not be [-] Angry Men.
And Li Yi also wanted to discuss with Chen Weijie and others whether it was necessary to change it to nine people.
In fact, the core character of "[-] Angry Men" is Juror No. [-].
How many other jurors there are, actually is not that important.
As for the so-called beautification, promoting the superiority of the Panzi system, Li Yi really doesn't think that is the case.
Because, for the selected jurors, in fact, Li Yi has learned that those who have served as jurors, most of the time, they do not pay so much attention to this matter, or in other words, the vast majority of jurors Members do not want to spend too long discussing the case.
Even in many cases, the attitude is rather perfunctory.
This is actually the case in "Twelve Angry Men".
In reality, how many people can be like Juror No. [-] and always stick to their own position in group decisions?
And even if there are people like Juror No. [-] in the film, there are still compromises. In the second round of voting, we have no choice but to abstain and let others make their choices.
Therefore, if there were no juror No. [-], the verdict would have been completely different.
Is this the superiority of the dish?Nonsense!
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