From Chief to Ball

On the contrary, the spices and Asian trade that Indian companies are most concerned about, and the Asian affairs that Chen Jian wants to get involved in, are the focus of debate between the two sides.

From the very beginning, there was tension between the two parties.

The Great Speaker Alden Barnefeldt and some directors of the Indian company held some views: in the face of the Pope's meridian regulations, it was the Dutch who signed a series of agreements with the local princes and people in the Spice Islands.These agreements were requested by the local people and princes, because this is not unoccupied land, but land that has already been occupied. The Netherlands only signed the contract at the request of the local princes and people.

Therefore, on this basis, all the adjacent lands under the jurisdiction of the princes of the Spice Islands who have signed treaties with Holland are within the sphere of Holland and are under the influence of Holland.Only the Netherlands has the behavior of conducting spice trade with the local under its influence.

Chen Jian said that the Republic does not recognize the Pope's meridian at all, and the Republic's meridian is in Mincheng, not in the Moluccas.There are no Christians in the Republic, the Pope is not known at all, and there is no God. It is meaningless for you to talk to me about this meridian.

So whether you signed a treaty with the prince or the local people, it is just your personal behavior, not how much effort you have made to tear up the Meridian Treaty.For the Republic, your efforts are meaningless, because the Republic does not recognize this meridian that divides the world.

A war with Portugal or Spain, that's another matter.The Republic recognizes the price you paid for these wars, and recognizes the treaties you made with the various wars in the Spice Islands...and pretend for a moment that the treaties you made were not treaties of force.

However, the Republic does not recognize your efforts to tear up the Meridian Treaty—that is, only recognize the contribution of the war, not the violation of the Papal Treaty, which is no less than the contribution of war.

This is within your system, not the international system.

Any international system without the participation of the Council of the Republic and the plenipotentiary envoy sent by the King is meaningless, and it is absolutely impossible for the Republic to recognize it.The Pope's Meridian is an example, the republic didn't even bother to send a letter to the Pope.

This contribution will make sense if France negotiates with you, and the republic supports your contribution within the Catholic system.But when the UK is negotiating with you, they will definitely not agree to the agreement on the meridian, because the existence of the "Supreme Act" makes them legally divorced from the "international law" set by the Pope.

International law without the participation of the republic is not legal.

Great Speaker Alden Barnefeldt heard Chen Jian's overtones. Although what Chen Jian said were meaningless diplomatic rhetoric, trying to pick out something that could be used was like looking at tens of thousands of words. Picking pearls from their shells, but still understand.

Chen Jian admitted that the Dutch had the monopoly privilege of spices there, but he did not admit that the waters there were closed to other people.

Immediately afterwards, the question moved on to the next topic.

That is, the difference between territory, territorial sea, trading post, treaty country, unstable colony, colony, and native colony.

This time point is a very special time point. The Dutch have just broken through the Portuguese blockade in Asia and temporarily gained a foothold.

Therefore, the concept of free navigation in all sea areas can be temporarily abandoned, and instead the concept of the existence of territorial waters can be pursued.Three years ago, they would never recognize the concept of territorial sea, and have always insisted that all sea areas are high seas.

Correspondingly, for "lands without owners" such as islands and continents, whoever discovers them will belong to them?Or who owns it?Which act will be considered a declaration of war?What would be considered legitimate competitive development?What land is "no man's land"?

Portugal and Spain, as the first-mover countries, have always held a point of view.To be the first to discover is to have ownership, and this concept of first-to-discovery has always prevailed since the beginning of the great voyage.

This concept of discovery is magical: a discovery in nature and the mere sight of it, without the need to land on an island, is considered the land of the discoverer.

However, with the challenges of emerging and late-developing countries, the concept that whoever discovers it belongs to him is no longer applicable.At this point, the Dutch also stated that for "land without owner", according to the private property law of Roman law, whoever occupies it belongs to whoever occupies it, and this is "the only natural and original way to obtain territory."

Chen Jian still argued with reason. He said that he didn't know the existence of Rome, and he didn't know what Roman law was.

According to the laws of the republic, any unclaimed land within the territory of the republic belongs to the people of the republic as a whole.Only when it is cultivated and reclaimed and can obtain more than [-] to [-] sowing and harvesting can it be allowed to occupy this piece of land.And according to the regulations of the counties and counties of the Republic, the trade circle centered on the counties and counties includes the furthest distance of the trade of grain and ironware, which is the natural range of the counties and counties, except for the counties and counties reclassified by the council due to domestic stability issues.

Therefore, according to the concept extended by the land law of the Republic, any unclaimed land that is not the inherent territory of the country must meet at least one of the following conditions before it can be counted as the territory of the country.

That is: need to have more than [-] native people here.Including naturalized Aboriginal people.The concept of domestication is the ability to speak the language of the country and recognize the existence of the country.The surrounding trading circle of the land cultivated and lived by these [-] people of the country is the territory of the country.

This is something that the Dutch cannot accept anyway.

The combined population of the Netherlands is only a few hundred thousand, and they have no concept of the motherland. If it weren't for the Spaniards, several provinces and even the villages, towns and churches below would have been independent.

The opposite republic is said to have a population of more than 3000 million, and it is not a problem to find 3000 people out of this population of more than 1000 million.But for the Netherlands, it is undoubtedly an unacceptable condition to take out 1000 people to occupy.

Chen Jian insisted that less than 1000 people can only be regarded as a trading post, which only has the right to trade and does not have the meaning of occupation.Moreover, 1000 people can establish a town, and all transactions must be carried out around this town. Owning a town is regarded as owning the land within the town's trading scope.

In fact, it is impossible for Chen Jian to easily create a place for thousands of people to immigrate, so his purpose is still to bargain, mainly to formulate a prototype of international regulations that are acceptable to at least Britain, France, the Netherlands, the Republic, and Denmark in the north. .

The aim is to isolate Spain if they don't participate.But in the face of such siege and the fact that they are about to go bankrupt, they have to accept it.

These countries that Chen Jian hopes to accept have a common feature.

They, including themselves, all missed the first wave of voyages, so they unanimously opposed the rule of "whoever finds it will belong to him and there is no need to go to the island".

But again, these countries have caught up with the second wave, so the condition for common acceptance is theoretical control, not actual control.

Actual control is the possession of these concepts, which will be raised by those countries that wake up in the third wave and catch up with the last batch, as a challenge to the old colonial powers.

When the fourth wave wakes up...it will be time for the old colonial system to collapse.

The things Chen Jian said at this time are obviously inclined to actual control rather than theoretical control, so when he proposed it, he knew that the other party would not accept it.

But the problem now is that the republic judged by the Dutch from muskets, steel ingots, telescopes, etc., is a huge country that is no less than Spain or even stronger, and has a strong desire for navigation.

The first captain to actually complete a circumnavigation of the world was the great pirate Drake. Magellan died in the Philippines, so he is not No.1.The first captain to complete a circumnavigation of the world had died of illness just ten years ago.

The Dutch have only completed one round-the-world voyage now, and the Republic's round-the-world voyage at this time is not too late, so it seems a bit aggressive at sea.

Exports are controlled only if there are more than 1000 people. Such a population requirement is absolutely unacceptable to the Netherlands.

These issues are actually the trade issues that Indian companies in the Netherlands are most concerned about, and are closely related to trade issues.

The Dutch clung to Chen Jian's request and firmly disagreed.

Related to this question, there is also the question of what is "No Man's Land".

This obviously still depends on fists, but at this time the gap between the East and the West is not too big, and the navigation technology and technological revolution of navigation technology have not yet begun. Can't stand.

The Spaniards were lucky, they met a group of people from the Stone Age, and caught up with their civil strife, so the Spanish methods are not suitable for Asia at this time.

Even India requires a company director or governor to call himself a loyal servant with the utmost humility.

Of course, following this trend will be completely different decades later.

Chen Jian in the Americas is not going to let these people get involved at all, and there is a country of such size, and the Dutch know that it is impossible to be like the Indians in South America. In addition, there is a huge republic with a population of 3000 million. Almost all the land was taken away.

So the focus is still on Asia, especially the Spice Islands generation.

In China, the Dutchman had just been bullied back, and he was bullied again in Macau three years ago.So the treaty is still valid, at least not qualified to sign unequal treaties.

But on the Spice Islands, in order to make the unequal treaties effective, the Netherlands urgently needs the republic behind Chen Jian to recognize the validity of those treaties.

Not against the republic, but against British Indian companies.

The Dutch felt that Chen Jian had hinted that on the issue of Asian trade, the Republic didn't care much about the spice trade.If you don't want to be strong.I will not stay here, I will go to England.

British Indian companies were already questioning the legitimacy of these Dutch treaties.

The most ridiculous thing is that Chen Jian heard from the businessmen of the Dutch Indian Company that the British used a reason that Chen Jian did not believe was used by the British: they doubted whether the Dutch forced those countries to sign the treaty by force. , and considers such a treaty unreasonable...

Chapter 34 Mutual Possibilities

Emerging countries always learn and learn. The Dutch gained a foothold on some islands a few years ago by opposing Portugal and supporting the local princes and people as a fig leaf.

So it was inevitable that the British Indian company also used the same method to deal with the Dutch who had established themselves.