Chapter 156
Liu Weiping thought for a while: "I think it is still necessary to take advantage of our country's complete industrial system to split up the work, let each industry company interpret its corresponding piece, and then use their existing production lines to renovate. It can be produced.
In this way, both existing production capacity and talented labor can be directly utilized, avoiding the redistribution and aggregation of equipment and labor, and can also greatly save time and avoid waste.
Moreover, if this is done, not only the lithography machine, but also other fields related to the process technology such as light source and objective lens can be greatly improved. It will be a great progress and development for our overall industrial system, and the comprehensive economic benefits can be achieved. Take it to the extreme. "
Jiang Fan and Meng Wanzhou agreed deeply after hearing this. This is indeed a more realistic solution, but Jiang Fan still had a problem, and said, "What about the confidentiality? So many companies, what if there is a technology leak? "
Liu Weiping smiled and replied: "So we need to find a way, we need to do a round of selection of participating companies, only companies we trust can join this high-end chip manufacturing alliance, and others will be kicked out from the very beginning. .”
Meng Wanzhou also nodded and added: "That's right, and many companies have mature technology confidentiality mechanisms, which are actually conducive to confidentiality.
If a bunch of companies are re-established by themselves, they may be under unified management and control at the initial stage, but in the end they still need to be marketized, so their confidentiality system is immature, and it is easier to leak technology. "
Jiang Fan thinks it makes sense. In some respects, these veterans are indeed more thoughtful than he thinks.
"However, there is still a problem." Meng Wanzhou continued: "Even if we disperse the movement in this way, the movement will be much smaller, but after all, the scope involved is too wide, and it is still inevitable that our opponents will detect it, which may inevitably affect our negotiations. .”
Meng Wanzhou mainly focuses on negotiating to delay time, so she can always pay attention to this.
Liu Weiping thought about it, and it was indeed such a thing. Then his Panda EDA would not be able to be promoted. What should we do?
Jiang Fan pondered for a while and said, "Then why don't we take the initiative to tell them that we want to make high-end chips."
"Take the initiative to tell?" Meng Wanzhou and Liu Weiping were puzzled. They were thinking about how to hide it, but when Mr. Jiang said something, he took the initiative to tell him. What kind of trick is this?
Jiang Fan smiled: "There is a saying that when a fake is true, it is true, and when a true fake is true, what is the way to make them not believe that we are engaged in high-end chips? That is to take the initiative to tell them that we are engaged in high-end chips." .”
Meng Wanzhou and Liu Weiping stroked together, and they probably understood Jiang Fan's logic. Normally speaking, if you really do this thing, the conventional logic must be to hide it and hide it for fear of others doing something bad along the way.
But I did the opposite, and told you directly that I was going to do this, but instead made you not believe that I was doing this, and felt that I had other plans.
"But where is the point of focus?" Meng Wanzhou continued to ask, the other party must think of some other point of view, otherwise others will not find the point of focus, and they will come back and reflect on whether you are really doing something. chip.
Jiang Fan drank his saliva and said with a smile: "It's just a negotiation. We deliberately 'fabricated' that we want to manufacture lithography machines and high-end chips, just to put pressure on us, so as to gain more benefits at the negotiation table. .”
Liu Weiping slapped her thigh: "Great!"
Because of the negotiation, the other party will definitely feel that we are bluffing because of this, just to seek the benefits of the negotiation. Who would have thought that we are really engaged in high-end lithography machines. This is a true and false military strategy. Always played it out.
Liu Weiping went on to say: "Okay, let's do it this way, then the negotiation side, Mr. Meng, can coordinate, you can pretend that the talks have collapsed, and then take advantage of the situation and bring up the topic of our self-developed high-end chips, which will look more real.
I am here to organize domestic affiliates that manufacture high-end chips to make an appointment for a meeting to inform this matter and prepare for our next selection. "
"Okay!" Meng Wanzhou and Jiang Fan nodded.
Tom's side is holding an internal meeting at the accommodation.
"What's the matter with Hua Wei? After Mr. Jiang came here, the conversation has been okay these days. Why did we suddenly have so many disagreements with us on many issues today?" Tom asked the team members a little puzzled.
"I think it's what he said at the end that they want to develop their own high-end chips. They think this gives them confidence." A team member replied.
"Then you think they can develop a high-end chip?" Another team member raised his eyebrows and asked.
The team member also smiled and replied: "How is it possible? They can't even manufacture high-end EUV lithography machines, let alone etching machines, ion implanters, including the entire process of wafer cutting and production. It is completely backward, which is so easy to create."
Tom asked, "So why do you think they brought this up?"
The team member thought for a while and replied: "It's obvious that you want to put pressure on us. Tell us that if you don't compromise, we can be ourselves, so we don't need you. It's just a usual negotiating method."
Tom thought for a while, and nodded with a smile: "It should be like this. These Chinese people are really cunning. We don't care about them. What they do instead shows their guilty conscience. We should talk about it anyway, don't care about them. .”
After a burst of laughter, the team members also nodded in agreement.
If Jiang Fan and the others want to determine which companies to come to, they need to go through the process involved in the chip design process first.
The most original material of a chip is sand, so the industry often calls this process the process from 'sand to chip'.
The mainstream chips are still silicon-based chips. Unlike precious metals, silicon is a rotten element, with a content as high as 26.3% in the earth's crust, second only to oxygen.
Silicon and oxygen together form the sand that can be seen everywhere in nature, the main component is silicon dioxide.
Therefore, the first step in making a chip is to reduce silicon dioxide into a silicon ingot, and then undergo purification and Czochralski method to take out a long silicon rod, and then cut, grind and polish the silicon rod to produce a silicon rod. Sheets of silicon wafers like compact discs.
Then send it to the fab to engrave the physical structure of the transistor through photolithography and etching, and then give it electrical characteristics by means of ion implantation and coating.
In this way, hundreds of millions of electronic devices and their corresponding logic circuits are formed in these repeated processes and become hundreds of chips on a wafer. Finally, they are cut and separated, and packaged and tested to complete one by one. Manufacturing of chips.
Of course, the sand used to make chips is not the kind of river sand on the construction site, but silica with a higher silicon content. The main component is silicon dioxide like sand.
From silica to silicon ingots, to frosted silicon rods (polycrystalline silicon), and then to mirror silicon rods (monocrystalline silicon).
In this regard, Jiang Fan doesn't have to worry about being stuck in raw materials like lithium mines before. After all, my country's industrial silicon production ranks first in China, accounting for 65% of the world's output, which is really enough.
Especially for monocrystalline silicon production capacity, Huaxia has reached 93.7% of the world.
It seems that there are many advantages, but in fact there is a difference between photovoltaic grade monocrystalline silicon and semiconductor grade monocrystalline silicon used to make chips. The biggest difference lies in the purity of silicon. The purity of photovoltaic grade monocrystalline silicon is 6 9, which is 99.9999%.
The semiconductor level generally requires 10 to 11 nines, which is 9%.
The difference is several orders of magnitude.
In addition, semiconductor-grade monocrystalline silicon is also much more stringent in terms of surface flatness, metal impurities and other indicators.
So on the whole, if Huaxia wants to produce high-end chips completely independently, it needs to integrate a lot of industries.
Liu Weiping, Jiang Fan and the others matched the corresponding enterprises based on the industrial system stripped from the technological process, and invited them to negotiate.
And this invitation was not sneaky, it was to release the invitation letter openly, including not hiding it from the media, and even showing some traces of deliberately wanting to reveal this news.
On the other side of the ocean, the old man also heard the news. He knew that Hua Wei had summoned many companies to plan to manufacture high-end chips independently, and confirmed it through some commercial eyeliners in China, and immediately held a meeting.
The old man: "What do you think of Hua Wei's sudden decision?"
After a while of whispering among the crowd, someone said: "We think they are bluffing, judging from their actions, there are obviously traces of intentional disclosure.
If you really plan to start a big project, how can you keep it so poorly?
The reason why they do this, I think, is to give us what we are doing, and we cannot be fooled by them. "
After hearing this, everyone whispered to each other for a while and then nodded in approval.
However, David raised a different opinion and said: "I think we still have to be cautious about this matter. Have you forgotten what happened to the new energy battery not long ago? We also think that it is not easy for them to overwhelm us, but what is the result? Now Eighty percent of the new energy vehicle market is occupied by them, and there will be more and more in the future, not to mention other applications that may be brought about by high-energy storage power batteries. We have lost nothing.
Don't talk about this, let's talk about EDA in the chip field. How could we have thought that they would suddenly develop a Panda EDA product that is not inferior to us at all, and even faintly surpasses us.
So for this opponent from the East, I don't think we can be too cautious no matter how cautious we are. "
David's words sparked some discussion, but soon some members of the meeting retorted: "David, I'm afraid you were frightened by them. How could Huaxia, which has only developed in the past few decades, be able to compare with it?" We have 200 years of accumulation.
As for new energy batteries and EDA, it was just an accident. We did not have an absolute advantage in the former, and the latter is more focused on software.
But what are they doing now?Lithography machines and etching machines are not a piece of software, but a complete industrial chain involving a large number of industrial systems. Do you think they will all be formed overnight?
Have you heard this saying?Rome wasn't built in a day, and high-end chips couldn't be completely independently developed in a day. In the words of Chinese people, you are a bit too worrying, hahaha~"
After hearing this member's statement, everyone burst into laughter.
The old man also smiled, and then said: "My thoughts are the same, what Huaxia said is just a strategy, it is impossible to really build a whole system.
But to be on the safe side, I think we can take the Huaxia enterprises and let them participate in Huawei to see what's going on, so that it will be safe. "
"Hmm." Everyone agreed.
(End of this chapter)
Liu Weiping thought for a while: "I think it is still necessary to take advantage of our country's complete industrial system to split up the work, let each industry company interpret its corresponding piece, and then use their existing production lines to renovate. It can be produced.
In this way, both existing production capacity and talented labor can be directly utilized, avoiding the redistribution and aggregation of equipment and labor, and can also greatly save time and avoid waste.
Moreover, if this is done, not only the lithography machine, but also other fields related to the process technology such as light source and objective lens can be greatly improved. It will be a great progress and development for our overall industrial system, and the comprehensive economic benefits can be achieved. Take it to the extreme. "
Jiang Fan and Meng Wanzhou agreed deeply after hearing this. This is indeed a more realistic solution, but Jiang Fan still had a problem, and said, "What about the confidentiality? So many companies, what if there is a technology leak? "
Liu Weiping smiled and replied: "So we need to find a way, we need to do a round of selection of participating companies, only companies we trust can join this high-end chip manufacturing alliance, and others will be kicked out from the very beginning. .”
Meng Wanzhou also nodded and added: "That's right, and many companies have mature technology confidentiality mechanisms, which are actually conducive to confidentiality.
If a bunch of companies are re-established by themselves, they may be under unified management and control at the initial stage, but in the end they still need to be marketized, so their confidentiality system is immature, and it is easier to leak technology. "
Jiang Fan thinks it makes sense. In some respects, these veterans are indeed more thoughtful than he thinks.
"However, there is still a problem." Meng Wanzhou continued: "Even if we disperse the movement in this way, the movement will be much smaller, but after all, the scope involved is too wide, and it is still inevitable that our opponents will detect it, which may inevitably affect our negotiations. .”
Meng Wanzhou mainly focuses on negotiating to delay time, so she can always pay attention to this.
Liu Weiping thought about it, and it was indeed such a thing. Then his Panda EDA would not be able to be promoted. What should we do?
Jiang Fan pondered for a while and said, "Then why don't we take the initiative to tell them that we want to make high-end chips."
"Take the initiative to tell?" Meng Wanzhou and Liu Weiping were puzzled. They were thinking about how to hide it, but when Mr. Jiang said something, he took the initiative to tell him. What kind of trick is this?
Jiang Fan smiled: "There is a saying that when a fake is true, it is true, and when a true fake is true, what is the way to make them not believe that we are engaged in high-end chips? That is to take the initiative to tell them that we are engaged in high-end chips." .”
Meng Wanzhou and Liu Weiping stroked together, and they probably understood Jiang Fan's logic. Normally speaking, if you really do this thing, the conventional logic must be to hide it and hide it for fear of others doing something bad along the way.
But I did the opposite, and told you directly that I was going to do this, but instead made you not believe that I was doing this, and felt that I had other plans.
"But where is the point of focus?" Meng Wanzhou continued to ask, the other party must think of some other point of view, otherwise others will not find the point of focus, and they will come back and reflect on whether you are really doing something. chip.
Jiang Fan drank his saliva and said with a smile: "It's just a negotiation. We deliberately 'fabricated' that we want to manufacture lithography machines and high-end chips, just to put pressure on us, so as to gain more benefits at the negotiation table. .”
Liu Weiping slapped her thigh: "Great!"
Because of the negotiation, the other party will definitely feel that we are bluffing because of this, just to seek the benefits of the negotiation. Who would have thought that we are really engaged in high-end lithography machines. This is a true and false military strategy. Always played it out.
Liu Weiping went on to say: "Okay, let's do it this way, then the negotiation side, Mr. Meng, can coordinate, you can pretend that the talks have collapsed, and then take advantage of the situation and bring up the topic of our self-developed high-end chips, which will look more real.
I am here to organize domestic affiliates that manufacture high-end chips to make an appointment for a meeting to inform this matter and prepare for our next selection. "
"Okay!" Meng Wanzhou and Jiang Fan nodded.
Tom's side is holding an internal meeting at the accommodation.
"What's the matter with Hua Wei? After Mr. Jiang came here, the conversation has been okay these days. Why did we suddenly have so many disagreements with us on many issues today?" Tom asked the team members a little puzzled.
"I think it's what he said at the end that they want to develop their own high-end chips. They think this gives them confidence." A team member replied.
"Then you think they can develop a high-end chip?" Another team member raised his eyebrows and asked.
The team member also smiled and replied: "How is it possible? They can't even manufacture high-end EUV lithography machines, let alone etching machines, ion implanters, including the entire process of wafer cutting and production. It is completely backward, which is so easy to create."
Tom asked, "So why do you think they brought this up?"
The team member thought for a while and replied: "It's obvious that you want to put pressure on us. Tell us that if you don't compromise, we can be ourselves, so we don't need you. It's just a usual negotiating method."
Tom thought for a while, and nodded with a smile: "It should be like this. These Chinese people are really cunning. We don't care about them. What they do instead shows their guilty conscience. We should talk about it anyway, don't care about them. .”
After a burst of laughter, the team members also nodded in agreement.
If Jiang Fan and the others want to determine which companies to come to, they need to go through the process involved in the chip design process first.
The most original material of a chip is sand, so the industry often calls this process the process from 'sand to chip'.
The mainstream chips are still silicon-based chips. Unlike precious metals, silicon is a rotten element, with a content as high as 26.3% in the earth's crust, second only to oxygen.
Silicon and oxygen together form the sand that can be seen everywhere in nature, the main component is silicon dioxide.
Therefore, the first step in making a chip is to reduce silicon dioxide into a silicon ingot, and then undergo purification and Czochralski method to take out a long silicon rod, and then cut, grind and polish the silicon rod to produce a silicon rod. Sheets of silicon wafers like compact discs.
Then send it to the fab to engrave the physical structure of the transistor through photolithography and etching, and then give it electrical characteristics by means of ion implantation and coating.
In this way, hundreds of millions of electronic devices and their corresponding logic circuits are formed in these repeated processes and become hundreds of chips on a wafer. Finally, they are cut and separated, and packaged and tested to complete one by one. Manufacturing of chips.
Of course, the sand used to make chips is not the kind of river sand on the construction site, but silica with a higher silicon content. The main component is silicon dioxide like sand.
From silica to silicon ingots, to frosted silicon rods (polycrystalline silicon), and then to mirror silicon rods (monocrystalline silicon).
In this regard, Jiang Fan doesn't have to worry about being stuck in raw materials like lithium mines before. After all, my country's industrial silicon production ranks first in China, accounting for 65% of the world's output, which is really enough.
Especially for monocrystalline silicon production capacity, Huaxia has reached 93.7% of the world.
It seems that there are many advantages, but in fact there is a difference between photovoltaic grade monocrystalline silicon and semiconductor grade monocrystalline silicon used to make chips. The biggest difference lies in the purity of silicon. The purity of photovoltaic grade monocrystalline silicon is 6 9, which is 99.9999%.
The semiconductor level generally requires 10 to 11 nines, which is 9%.
The difference is several orders of magnitude.
In addition, semiconductor-grade monocrystalline silicon is also much more stringent in terms of surface flatness, metal impurities and other indicators.
So on the whole, if Huaxia wants to produce high-end chips completely independently, it needs to integrate a lot of industries.
Liu Weiping, Jiang Fan and the others matched the corresponding enterprises based on the industrial system stripped from the technological process, and invited them to negotiate.
And this invitation was not sneaky, it was to release the invitation letter openly, including not hiding it from the media, and even showing some traces of deliberately wanting to reveal this news.
On the other side of the ocean, the old man also heard the news. He knew that Hua Wei had summoned many companies to plan to manufacture high-end chips independently, and confirmed it through some commercial eyeliners in China, and immediately held a meeting.
The old man: "What do you think of Hua Wei's sudden decision?"
After a while of whispering among the crowd, someone said: "We think they are bluffing, judging from their actions, there are obviously traces of intentional disclosure.
If you really plan to start a big project, how can you keep it so poorly?
The reason why they do this, I think, is to give us what we are doing, and we cannot be fooled by them. "
After hearing this, everyone whispered to each other for a while and then nodded in approval.
However, David raised a different opinion and said: "I think we still have to be cautious about this matter. Have you forgotten what happened to the new energy battery not long ago? We also think that it is not easy for them to overwhelm us, but what is the result? Now Eighty percent of the new energy vehicle market is occupied by them, and there will be more and more in the future, not to mention other applications that may be brought about by high-energy storage power batteries. We have lost nothing.
Don't talk about this, let's talk about EDA in the chip field. How could we have thought that they would suddenly develop a Panda EDA product that is not inferior to us at all, and even faintly surpasses us.
So for this opponent from the East, I don't think we can be too cautious no matter how cautious we are. "
David's words sparked some discussion, but soon some members of the meeting retorted: "David, I'm afraid you were frightened by them. How could Huaxia, which has only developed in the past few decades, be able to compare with it?" We have 200 years of accumulation.
As for new energy batteries and EDA, it was just an accident. We did not have an absolute advantage in the former, and the latter is more focused on software.
But what are they doing now?Lithography machines and etching machines are not a piece of software, but a complete industrial chain involving a large number of industrial systems. Do you think they will all be formed overnight?
Have you heard this saying?Rome wasn't built in a day, and high-end chips couldn't be completely independently developed in a day. In the words of Chinese people, you are a bit too worrying, hahaha~"
After hearing this member's statement, everyone burst into laughter.
The old man also smiled, and then said: "My thoughts are the same, what Huaxia said is just a strategy, it is impossible to really build a whole system.
But to be on the safe side, I think we can take the Huaxia enterprises and let them participate in Huawei to see what's going on, so that it will be safe. "
"Hmm." Everyone agreed.
(End of this chapter)
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